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Full transcript from interview with Rosanne Clausen. (July 29, 2021)
Marcus: What's up, yeah. It's your boy, Marcus Bullock, the CEO, founder of Flik-
shop. I'm here for another episode of Marcus asks. I'm super excited about
this episode today, because now we get the chance to hear directly from
someone who had a loved one who was in prison. And now they're home.
And so, I'm super excited to join Rosanne. She's one of the founding
members of the strong prison wives and families, Facebook, and Instagram
groups. Her community that she has built is incredible. So, she's goanna be
joining us in any second. So, I'm excited about it. I see she's goanna jump
in now. So, I'm goanna let her in. I'm super excited to compensate me by
my air pods to make sure you're behaving well. Hi, there she is.
Rosanne: Hi, Marcus
Marcus: How are you? Let me just make sure you guys can see me.
Rosanne: I'm great. Do you see me? Okay, I'm great. I'm great. How are you?
Marcus: You're perfect. I can see you. Well, I can't hear you. Well, you're good to
go. This is goanna be awesome. I'm so pumped to have you join us. Thank
you so much for joining me for
Rosanne: Of course, I'm so happy to be here, connected to you again and see
everybody hopping on. This is so exciting.
Marcus: This is goanna be so much fun. One of the things I think that I enjoy the
most about this journey is connecting with people who I never would have
had the opportunity to be able to connect with and you are one of them.
Look, we're goanna jump straight in. I want to go straight into the
conversation, right? Because you know, everybody here they really here
for you. And they are really here to hear. Everybody here to hear you and
I'm so pumped about that. But before I jump in, I want to take a quick
second because I don't do intros. How would you introduce yourself?
Rosanne: I would say, well, I am Rosanne Clausen. I am the founder of the nonprofit
strong prison wives and families. My husband was formerly incarcerated
to 213 years. He was incarcerated under stacked mandatory minimum
sentencing was. How long do I have for this intro.? I could go on for days.
But he was awarded compassionate release. Just about a year ago on
August 12, 2020. We moved out to Las Vegas. I'm sure we will get into all
of that throughout this conversation. But in a nutshell, we were awarded
that, move to Vegas, had a baby two weeks ago. It's just been amazing.
Marcus: Oh, my goodness. I'm so excited to talk about all of this stuff here. First of
all, say congratulations again.
Rosanne: Thank you!
Marcus: On the new. I felt now you're like very newly, like this just happened.
Rosanne: This just happened. Yes. If you could see with the bags under my eyes.
We're getting up at night, but it's. Oh, perfect. I love that. good lighting.
Thank you so much. It's like I keep telling everyone it is the best most
beautiful whirlwind I've ever experienced in my life. You know you have
kids.
Marcus: I love it. Thank you so much for all your always your transparency here. I'm
goanna be actually so let's I want to jump in. So, Adam is your husband,
Adam is amazing. I met Adam, you know, for the first time of a couple of
months ago. And since our very first conversation, I'm like, oh man, like
Adam, you're the homie now. So, I'm excited about our meeting Adam and
knowing you personally, but I've been following probably not you
specifically, but one of your groups for quite some time. The strong prison
wives and families. Tell me why did you start that? Why? Why did why did
you start that? That group?
Rosanne: Yeah. So, when I got back in touch with Adam, he was already incarcerated
for nine years. And like I said he was a lifer. And it was (Inaudible/03:40)
three other prison wives and family members couldn't understand why I
was doing what I was doing. Not only why I was getting back in touch and
involved in this relationship with somebody (Inaudible/03:56) ever. Am I
freezing? Am I okay?
Marcus: No, no, you're good. You're good.
Rosanne: Okay. Okay, good. So, everywhere I turned, nobody understood. I started
getting anxiety about it. I didn't want to talk about my relationship
anymore. And it was like this awkward period, plus all these questions I
was trying to go to visit, I didn't know what I could wear. I didn't know what
I can mail to him. I didn't know if I could bring anything, so many things
that were up in the air. So, I figured if I don't have support, either by
people, or people who were involved in this life, I'm goanna go find it. And
I started to search online and at the time, this was what I think around
when you started 2008, 2009. I found nothing and the few things that were
out there at the time. I felt live to a stigma that a lot of people think about
prison wives and girlfriends and family members. That was kind of off and,
you know, people felt like it seemed like at the time, people were just
glorifying the criminal lifestyle. And they couldn't wait to get their loved
one home. So, he could hit the street again, or she could hit the street
again. And they could be Bonnie and Clyde and ride or die and all of those
other cliches. And I thought, man, but we can do so much better than this.
And if it's not out there, I'm going to create it because we need support,
we need people who understand us. And so, I started a blog at that point,
actually, started my YouTube channel. And I connected with this woman
who had a blog that was called at the time strong prison wives? And we
started it a Facebook page, and we started all of our social media, and it
was growing ridiculously, like at the time, that wasn't like the tip top
generation now where you go viral in five minutes, and you have a million
subscribers. But at that time, it was 500, 1000 members a day, which was
huge.
Marcus: Massive, like
Rosanne: Massive back then. Yeah. And so, we just kept going, and I incorporated as
a nonprofit, and it's just kind of the rest is history. But it just speaks to how
much support is needed for loved ones of the incarcerated.
Marcus: Yeah, I mean, this is amazing. One of the things that, you know, one of the
things I noticed when I first heard about you all, was the community that
you get that you guys were continuing to build. When we first launched
Flikshop. We launched Flikshop; we went live in app stores around
2012.And you guys are like literally our first customers. Right? And that was
I mean, think about how long ago that was. And you're right like it not only
were there not a bunch of groups like this or a conversation that are being
had. But the reality of it is that the conversation around criminal justice
reform or the conversations around preparing people for reentry, none of
those were happening yet.
Rosanne: Yep.
Marcus: Like that was like back in the day before anyone was jumping on that kind
of storyline. And so, you were like, very innovative during that journey.
Don't have time when people weren't like talking about this kind of thing.
And like supporting, especially women who are like saying, I'm going to
stand up and be and be heard and be felt and build this community around
me to say like, it's okay to love someone that's still incarcerated. And not
only so it's okay to love them. But I'm going to love on them hard. And I'm
going to show them that I'm there for them the entire journey. Like that
was completely new and innovative back then. I mean, it had had been
scary for you at that time. And I'm wondering, like, what were other people
saying, were they saying like, why are you supporting this guy? He's in
prison and blah, blah. I mean, I can only imagine what you were hearing at
that time.
Rosanne: Yeah, like, at best people were nice to my face and whispered behind my
back. Worst people. But worse than that, people would just say the most
cruel things. And I'm like, why would you say this to me? You wouldn't say
that to somebody else. But I guess because he was in prison. In their head,
it was validation to say the nastiest thing. Like, it was one thing to say mean
things about me where you're desperate, you're dateless, you're goanna
wind up an old miserable hag. You deserve to be like, the worst I've ever
heard was. He deserves every year, those 213 years, and he deserves to
die in there. And you deserve to die too. Because you support him.
Marcus: Oh, my goodness.
Rosanne: Yeah. Like, who are you? And why would you judge my life. And a lot of
times, it was just the people.
Marcus: These people knew you or didn't know you?
Rosanne: Both, but I think that the hardest part was the people that did know me,
people that don't know me, you can write it off, you're just a jerk. But
people that did know me, I had to start telling myself and this is huge
lesson that I've always coached other prison wives and family members
through when it's your family or people that you love, you just kind of have
to take steps back and realize they want what they think is best for you,
and their version of your happiest life. So, in their heads, a lot of people
can't understand why you would dedicate your life to somebody who's in
prison, especially a long term or a life or even if you're young, and he has
5, 7, 10, even 2 years, it's a lot of time from 20 to 22, to dedicate your life
to somebody.
Marcus: Yeah
Rosanne: So, they say these awful things. And I always tell people, just remember,
you have to set boundaries and say like, I get it, they're saying it because
they love me. But if you're goanna say to my face, I'm going to leave or I'm
going to do X, Y, and Z and then stick to those boundaries, but know that
they're doing it out of love most of the time.
Marcus: That's interesting that you have that perspective. I love that you introduce
love, even in that conversation, right? I mean, obviously that your
relationship is guided by love. I mean, this tremendous sacrifice that you
make in order to be able to be there to support someone who's
incarcerated. Obviously, that's an extreme level of love that I think that
most people, like most of you just probably wouldn't understand until your
loved one is the one that's in that role. And you're like, wait, no, this is not
as hard as you think it is. Right? Like, I love them no matter where they live.
And I think that's one of the interesting things about. I want to kind of come
back to one of the things that you mentioned about the difference
between the people who didn't know you and the people who don't know
you. That kind of sort of stuck out to me like the difference between the
wo and how you can kind of sort of shrug off those who do not. I want to
go back to the people who do know you? Right? Your family members who
are the closest to you, the folks who know you in your community, the
people who know you at work, like all of those places. Well, how did they
I mean, the people that were closest to you're not talking to like people
like, oh, I know who really is right. But like,
Rosanne: Yeah
Marcus: Who were close to you? How did they feel about your decision to be able
to be there to support Adam along this journey?
Rosanne: Most of them couldn't understand it. And Adam's story was so unique
because he's a (Inaudible/10:24), how many people you had to do all of
these horrible things, in order to wind up with 213-year sentence. So once
I explained it to them, it was tough in the beginning, and I'm talking about
very close, like family, it was very, very tough. And I fought it out because
you know how we are, especially for our men, and we're goanna fight hard.
And I had the worst fight I ever had with. It was my four sisters and my best
friend who I've known since I was seven years old. So, she's like my sister.
And she was nine months pregnant at the time, and I said some cruel, nasty
things. And that's how we're wired. I kind of came up with this whole
theory that I was talking about, it's out of love. And then once we had a
little battle, and we fought it out, and everybody had a breather, then we
came back and we talked through it, and they realized, okay, he's not going
anywhere. We set our piece. She set her piece, now we have to figure it
out. And I wound up trying to connect them with Adam. Get them on calls.
I tried to get them out to visit but he was six hours away. So, it was kind of
hard, but Flikshop, all of that stuff helped them build relationships and
mend it. And then they were his biggest supporters in the long run. It took
a minute, but it worked out.
Marcus: Yeah, yeah. Now, I mean, that's interesting. I mean, to see how you're
sacrificing your consistency, it transfers over time. People like, they get it
eventually.
Rosanne: Yeah
Marcus: They come on the wagon as well. It's interesting. I will, I'm pretty certain
how I know how Adam would answer this next question. But I'm curious to
how you would address this question. in your own words. How do you
think that your relationship impacted Adam's reentry? Like, how does
having a relationship with you along the journey, and then coming home
to a wife, you know, a woman who loves him and is there for them? How
did that impact him? What did you see? How did you see that?
Rosanne: He said, it was unbelievable, and he's so sweet. And he credits me for a lot
of making his transition. It wasn't easy, but as easy as possible, because I
was here to help him with some of the emotional stuff which he prepared
himself for years. He never lived like a lifer. People thought he was crazy.
People thought I was crazy because we always talk about this outdate and
getting married because we weren't legally met. We still aren't legally
married and having children and all this stuff. And they're like, okay, you
two cuckoos. But we always kept each other and gave each other, kept
each other hopeful. And so, when he came home, and he had me to help
him emotionally, and then with things that we don't think about
technology, he had never seen a touchscreen, telephone cell phone. So
stuff like that, just to help him, I drove him everywhere until he got his
license just made it so much easier. And he always said that I was his
inspiration. You know how people always say no, your why. I was always
his why. And now our baby work is why to stay out to (Inaudible/13:15)
back but to stay positive, to fight through all of this stuff that they put the
obstacles that they put in your way when you're returning. And just
getting them through.
Marcus: Yeah. What are some of the things that you did to help prepare for him to
come like when you knew like we as our day, he's going to be coming
home, you know, what did you do? What are some things you did to
prepare for that?
Rosanne: He was totally prepared. I was the biggest in denial that he used to get
upset with me. He's like, I need you to do this. And he would send me stuff
over email. But it was hard, right? Because I'm living in New Jersey. He's in
Pennsylvania, and we're moving to Vegas, if and when he comes home. So
he's like, look at properties. How am I going to buy a house when I'm like?
I don't know when I'm going to move in if I'm going to move in. So, I just
kind of denied the whole thing. But he was so prepared. He had multiple
jobs lined up. Before he got out. We had kind of a place to say we knew
about where we were going. We do Dodo birds. I had my whole car pack
with what I put in there when I picked him up and drove across country
and got a place to live literally on the drive. But that's because we couldn't
prepare he was awarded immediate release. So, it's not like, okay, you're
resentenced, and you have three years or even three months. It was you
have two days to get out of here. But he was really good. That's a
conversation you guys should have because I did nothing.
Marcus: I'm excited about having that conversation. Well, let me ask
you how is this experience was interesting, right? I mean, I think about
some of the things that I've gone through in my life, and you know, those
who don't know I serve eight years in prison myself which is the reason
why I launched Flikshop and because I understand the family dynamic and
the importance of the value of keeping that families connected along that
journey. And we want to be able to do that with our mobile apps. But I also
know that having an experience, interestingly enough, it showed me how
to build resilience and prepared me and allow me to be able, to be the
stronger one that kind of sort of pushed through a lot of the experiences
that I have out here. Now, as a result of like the pain tolerance I have,
because of experience I had, you know, while doing time in prison, and so
I think that's one of the interesting things that happened to me. But one of
the things I'm wondering is like how that experience some kind of
resilience that built for my mom, or like for my sister, or the people who
love me, like how they think about wanting to bring me home every day
and how they couldn't, it was nothing they could do, to help, you know,
accelerate their process. And my situation. And I think that it's interesting,
because you assess pain different, when you go through these different
periods in life that are like, super, super, super painful, right? It's like, once
you fall off the bike the first time, if you fall off again, like I'm not cool lad,
(Inaudible/16:00) bike before this, like it's nothing right? But the fear of
falling off for the first time is where all of the anxiety comes from. One of
the things I wonder again, about the family members or how
incarceration affects the families; I'm wondering how these adverse
situations help impact the rest of your life in other scenarios, specifically,
things that are hard or challenging, like a great example for you as a new
parent is like, is motherhood, right. I think it's a very interesting thing that
you really can't believe a pair for. Right? So do you think that these life's
experiences that you had, especially with dealing with Adam, they helped
prepare you for other things in your life? Did you learn something during
this journey, that transfer and like you build up some resilience or some
grit from this journey that you know, goes into something else in your life.
Rosanne: Oh, my gosh, 100%, absolutely. And I love that you use the term pain
tolerance, because I would never think to kind of convert that from
emotional to physical, but it's so true. So, and I love that you use grit
because Adam and I talk about being gritty constantly. And I didn't realize
that something I thought you were born with it. Either you have it or you
don't. And that's it. And I didn't realize it's something that you can build up
over time. Absolutely. So, when I first got back in touch with Adam in 2009,
there was nothing, absolutely nothing legally, all of his appeals were done,
exhausted, no possibility of parole or anything like that. So, it was all going
on Whoa, 2011, a bill was introduced, we all got all excited, I'm like, this is
it, he's coming home, he's goanna be home before I'm 35. It was quite a
few years ago, but he's goanna be home by this day, I'm goanna be this
age, and you're on this emotional high, and boom, it crashes, it's dead. And
all of your emotions go through the floor. And this happened with so many
different bills, with clemency with different appeals and looking through
the court and you go up, and you're like, this is it and then you crash. And
when you're crashing, you're like, I don't know if I could do this anymore.
This is the most pain I've ever felt in my whole entire life. There were times
it was, I don't apply for clemency in 2016, when it was that big push to get
a whole bunch of people out, what they would do was they would release
a list of names that were approved. And you would hear that a list came
through the grapevine that we'd have to find the list, find all the names.
And it would be like this high. Okay, list was I see some of my girls on here.
And I would text a lot of them and be like, oh, this was just released, and
we would all go try to find it, we would find it and then one of us would
find his name wasn't on it, they would have to try to tell me it would be
crushing. And it would crash. So, this happened and then a denied list for
came out, will come out and you would hold your breath and be like, I hope
he's not on there. Same scenario. Just backwards, opposite. And finally, the
day before the inauguration, new presidents coming in. This is all going to
be over. I get word that Adams petition is on the Vice President's desk. So
I'm like, Oh, that's it. It's happening. Next day, no aggression. It's all
happening. I'm at a doctor's appointment. I'm watching it. I'm like, Oh, it's
all over. Like this is it. It's done. It's not happening. It just we ran out of
time. So, I'm trying to have small talk conversation with the girls at the desk
talking about her outfit is adorable. Look at this one. Meanwhile, in the
back of my head, I'm crushed. I'm trying not to cry. And this lasted for
probably six weeks, I will be at my desk at work and just spontaneously
tears, I would have to run to the bathroom and just kind of get it out or I
would be now following up for my surgery. I'd be in the waiting room with
a doctor's appointment and tears, right because now it's all over. And
again, this happened throughout. You are right, you just build up this
resilience where you're like, Okay, it's bad. It's hard, hardest thing I've ever
had to go through. I'm goanna reassess. Do I want to keep going or am I
dumped this point? Can I not do this anymore? And every night I'd go to
bed. Every night this happened, I would go to bed and say, I don't know. I'll
wake up in the morning. I'll figure it out and your love is so strong. When
you wake up in the morning. You're like okay, I got this. And you're right.
It's just like a pain. And it did transfer into other areas of my life with not
only emotionally but physically, I had a baby three weeks ago, I had no idea
I was on labor, I just felt nothing. People don't believe me. But of course,
it's a little bit different. I mean, I've been working out for many, many
years. But you just learn. You just you develop that grit that I don't think
other people that weren't in your position, my position, the other people's
positions that are watching this, to get through and figure it out.
Marcus: I think that's such an interesting thing, right? Like, it's like one of the silvers
linings in the dark cloud that you never really think about. And I think that
it's. I'm glad that you talked about the other people that are watching,
right, because the family members, they don't know that they're building
up this pain tolerance while you're going through it. Like you have no idea
that you're doing these emotional or like what I call mental pushups,
you're going these emotional pushups, these mental pushups during this
journey, right and your , your resilience is getting stronger and stronger,
and your grit is getting stronger and stronger. And every time you got to
accept a collect call, every time you have to go into a visiting room and you
get patted down or whenever you get that letter in the mail or any of those
things. right? Like they're like the relief moments, we get a chance to
breathe a little bit and whoa, I feel the benefit of the muscles that I'm
flexing right now. But it is. It's like a mental emotional workout. But I'm
interested. I'm fascinated about that. And it's very interesting to hear that,
even for the family members that work out, it transfers into your lives,
other phases of your life as well. So, thank you so much for hitting on that.
One of the questions I have, especially because we have so many of the
women that you support, that are watching this, that are watching this live
right now. One of the questions I have for you is what you see, what do
you remember seeing as like, one of the things that you heard the most as
like one of the ailments or problems or issues that wives or women
specifically had with their loved ones that were incarcerated. But you see
a lot of stuff like a trend coming in your inbox or your dm saying, Hey, we
need to know more about this. Was there a thing that you think that like
most people like wanting to know about, learn about hear about your
experiences?
Rosanne: Sure. And in different areas for different things. So, the biggest trend, as
far as on the outside, not dealing with, let's say visits or their loved ones or
anything like that would be a lot of people need mental health services.
And I don't have them to offer yet. Hopefully one day, a lot of people need
legal help. I don't have lawyers or anything like that. So, we'll do the best
we can and say hey, you know this such and such is going through an
appeal in the state of Georgia, why don't you reach out to her and see if
maybe she can give you some tips on how to write that letter, those types
of things, then, of course, it's a huge trend. Just emotional. I need support.
I have nobody on the outside. Like I was saying earlier, the whole reason
why I developed strong prison wives and families, nobody understands me.
People are nasty to my face, that type of stuff. And then as far as kind of
logistics, what do I wear to visit? Is anybody else going to visit that could
give me a ride, those types of things?
Marcus: What do you typically tell people when you're in a box, you are answering
these kinds of questions like it's specifically like these, some of these kinds
of things? What do you tell people they're like, emotionally I'm going
through a right now I have no idea how to make it through the event? Like
what do you tell someone when it happened?
Rosanne: So, I have these little like, rules that I set up for myself that I pass along to
other people. And I started like I told you, I started on YouTube. So, I have
a library of videos on there where I shared all this stuff. It's grown out of
costs, and for anybody that wants to check it out.
Marcus: You will give it. We will tell these new moms like these moms, these
women, like when they go through these emotional moments at the
middle of the night when they like I don't know what to do, how to
emotionally get to it.
Rosanne: Right. Okay, so I have these rules, right. So, the biggest one that I share
with strong prison wives and families now, everybody does it is we call it
the 24-hour rule where something bad happens, you're having an
emotional night, you know, you see your ex on the street, you don't know
if you want to go back to those types of things. 24 hours, you have 24 hours
to feel your feelings, you're not going to push them down because you're
not going to avoid them. Because eventually they're going to come up
anyway. You need to feel them. So, you've 24 hours you can call out of
work. You can eat Doritos and lay on the couch. You can watch Netflix. You
could do whatever it is that you need to do to wallow, to feel that pain to
cry. 24 hours later, I want you to wake up. I want you to go into work. I
want you to put on your sneakers and go for a run and better thing. You
need to get back into life and live it because here's the thing. When you go
back into life, 24 hours later, the sun's not going to automatically come out.
Everything's not going to automatically be better. But you're just kind of
going through the emotions and one day it will get better. But if you sit
there and lay under the covers and you will not get out of bed for day after
day after day, that's goanna progress and you are goanna fall deeper, and
deeper and deeper into that hole. It's going to be more difficult to pull
yourself out of it. So those little tidbits, but that's been my biggest one is
the 24-hour rule. It has gotten myself through. It's gotten so many of our
strong prison wives and family’s members through.
Marcus: We're goanna hit this one, again, you guys see that, the 24-hour rule. Thank
you so much. That was an amazing tip. You guys’ goanna hit that one again
on repeat over and over again, on Flikshop's page. I think that was great
advice. And I'm grateful to you for sharing it. Look before I let you go. I
mean, you're like a wealth of information. And I'm hoping that you're going
to be back. Hopefully, I get a chance when you do a Marcus asks episode
with both of you and Adam. So, I think that will be awesome to hear both
of you guys’ perspective on along this journey. I mean, this has been an
incredible journey that you guys have been on. And you've been extremely
transparent about it. And I'm so grateful because it helps so many people,
right. I mean, all of the men and women, that you support, the entire
family. So, I'm so excited. I saw even the growth of like strong prison wife
and now families, right. And so when I think about like how you guys add
support to this community. I'm super, super grateful. One last question I
have for you before I have let you go. What do you wish you knew when it
came to preparing for this relationship with Adam and Adam's release?
Rosanne: Oh, good question. So, what I wish I knew when it came to preparing for
the relationship was: Slow down, and you can't put a date on it. So, I was
joking before like when I'm 25, or whatever it was, because I said, I got
back in touch with Adam when I was 31. And I would say like, Okay, I'm
going to fix this, I'm going to be the one that finds the loophole in the law
to get him out. And of course, it's not the case. There are lawyers that do
that. But at the time, I would spend eight, nine hours on each day of the
weekend, Saturday, and Sunday, just researching trying to find a loophole
in the law. And then I would go to work, Monday through Friday, and I would do my thing, and then I would go back to researching. And it's d
raining. I wish that at that point, I knew that, leave that to the experts. Do
what you have to do and make yourself knowledgeable, but don't
stop living your life and making this relationship your whole entire life. I
had so many people tell me, well, he's in there. He's miserable. So, I have
to be miserable out here. I even had somebody tell me he's rotting in a jail
cell. So, I had to kind of give it to her straight like, does he have mesa? Is
his skin rotting off of his body. Like what do you mean, but let's just think
about what you're saying. He'll be okay. She'll be okay, who's ever the
person inside, it sucks. Frankly, it broke my heart every single day. If I sat
there and thought about Adam in chains, or in the hole or anything like
that, you can't do it to yourself, you're not in prison, you have to live your
life. So, I wish I had that advice in the beginning too. And then for his
release, he had such, really his release, we had so much help. So, we were
at such an advantage. I just want to be made it so known how grateful I am
for the help. But there were all of these roadblocks throughout the way.
So, he needed his driver's license, couldn't get his driver's license without
his social security card. But he couldn't get a social security card without
his driver's license. He, Thank God, had a job with a friend. If he didn't, he
needed a bank account, couldn't get a bank account without a job. Couldn't
get a job without a bank account. And it was all these circles that we were
spawning. And like I said, we were at such an advantage. And I was starting
to get frustrated. Not him. But I told him. I said I used to judge people all
the time that got out and went right back. But now I'm eating those words.
And I understand. I'm not saying it's right. But I understand why sometimes
people feel that they can only do that because you're getting all of these
roadblocks. You need to go get drug tested every day. But you don't have
to get there, that type of stuff. So just be patient and rely on your
resources. And for everybody on here that supports a loved one who's
incarcerated. You are gold to them for getting them through that and just
Patience, patience, patience.
Marcus: I love these rules. Like this is like the (Inaudible/29:03) according to the
chapter of Rome. Thank you so much for this evening. I'm super grateful
for you taking some time to be very transparent with us and being
supportive to the community of people who we all love. Listen, guys, if you
heard it here first. In another edition of Marcus asks, wrote in an incredible
job and she had three big things that I think that I heard. You may have
heard something different. The things that I heard was one, like what is the
24-hour rule to you. You have one day to kind of sort of wallow in your
moment. Give yourself some grace, validate your emotions, live through it
for tomorrow. Pick yourself back up. The second one that I heard was
continue to live your life. Your loved one is incarcerated but their skin isn’t
peeling off their body quite yet. So, they not writing in a sale? Don't torture
yourself by thinking about that all the time. Continue to be supportive, but
also live your life. And the third thing that I heard what she says. She said
it over and over again. I don't know if you realize how many times you use
the word patient. You talked about patience so many times with yourself,
with your emotions, with Adam, even with the system and how you taught
learn patients and going through that up and down roller coaster of trying
to get him home. It's amazing what patients can do inside of our
relationships. And if we lead and guide with love, which I think is something
like the bonus thing that we'll talk a lot about this evening. But I think that
we all make it to this promised land where she has amazing family that she
couldn't have, you know, even thought about, I mean, they're living in a
space in an area where they didn't even know it was goanna happen. But
through faith and resilience and that same grit that we talked about
before, they made it here on the other end. This is another episode of
Marcus asks, Rosanne, thank you so, so, so much for joining us this evening.
I hope that you will also come back for the next future episodes of Marcus
asks. We will be having these kinds of conversations with the people in our
community that really, really matter. Rosanne, I appreciate you. Thank
you.
Rosanne: Marcus, thank you so much. Thank you so much for everything you do for
our community as well.
Marcus: I'm grateful. We'll see you next time Rosanne
Rosanne: Of course, Will do.
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